Do they have anymore? Anyway they tried so hard to keep them apart until they were ready to breed them later on. I went to the store and bought an at home UTI kit and tested her myself, I called the vet and after urine analysis it was confirmed. I have a white doberman that I adopted from a local, reputable, dobie rescue Second Chance Dobes. They had a rainbow litter of 1 black, 2 reds, 1 fawn, and two white twins( sadly one of the twins were still born.) Please dont justify ignorant human actions and behavior with a book and history that you have proved you have no comprehension of. I have two Dobermans both female a red/rust and white/cream. it seems like common sense that you should never ever breed a white doberman ! Stop. God bless. I dont think so. You are not special. doberman pinscher playing. They are worth because of the love they give not because of how many contests they can win. Until scientific research is done to prove they are albinoid, you all have no right to bicker like children about a dog. PS thanks. Congrats. The two who currently share my life are the most recent of the 11 Doberman Pinschers that have graced my world from my past. My lovely boxer/rottwreiler just passed away last week at the ripe old age of 16! I think it needs to be said that while whites are beautiful, intelligent, loving and just as wonderful as any other color of dobe, the akc doesnt accept them. where is the sense of having love? It means they are subject to more possible health problems and should not be used for breeding. Keep in mind, we are arguing over a DOG. People like you need to be shot. I USE Z FACTOR DOGS IN MY CURRENT LINE AS THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL & EXCELLENT MINDED DOGS! Love my buddy to death so thanks for any info. i have an albino dob and a black on they both get the same food and go to the dog park 4 times a week and my white one is more helthy then my black and tan, Hi, again does anyone know of a breeder with blue and tan pups in the UK? The two girls together are amazing. if those of you who preach about the health, etc of the whites, why dont yuo get updated material, scientific material, and quit making yourself look so foolish. You are a real jerk. Hope this helps you decide. Thats when she gave me the bad news. I am not sure about anyone else. I have to disagree about additional health problems with the white/cream. Im somewhat discouraged because shes such a sweet girl and I love her already. Im a trainer & I deal with head cases and dogs bred for looks that are nothing but looks all the time. The problem happens when inexperienced people dont invest in the tests that are necessary to find out which individuals gene pool, either should or should not be crossed, with another. And it was stated that they were not the desired color only because they could be seen at night with them being white. Im so happy you found your new girl.. I knew he would naturally. 55+ Havanese Dog Breeds Doberman Haversham - l2sanpiero 55+ Havanese Dog Breeds Doberman Haversham Hi animal lovers, I see you are looking for 55+ Havanese Dog Breeds Doberman Haversham. I think its hilarious that everyone continues to blame the Cream/white Doberman on inbreeding . The only reason I am writing is because as I was reading through I found one message that said get rid of the whites no time for bad dogs writen by miller! I bought a albino dobe and had i known all the problems they havei dont think i would of.. We got him about 2 and he died at 13 quite suddenly actually, We took him to the vet as he was growling at my mother which he never had done before. .. if there is something wrong with it, its not because of its color. It is not for betterment of the breed, for confirmation or for the show ring because they are not the breed standard. Studies have proven that this breed of dog is very unique. Have you ever seen a female dog get cervical cancer?? If you need more information about 55+ Doberman Haversham Purebred, you can check the following LINK . Thanks. and there is word that her mother had a albino male ina previous litter that died at a young age that was probably destroyed because he was not a breedable color. It has been what most often leads to fear biting which is not as prevalent in other colors. First, As I initially stated, it hasnt been that long ago that blue and fawn puppies were culled. Study up, then post a more informative comment. Im not for one second saying theyre not great dogs and Im sure you love them. This works really well for their skin. Its ignorance of the worst kind. Litter Size. Just had her ECG and all done at just past 11 and still everything perfect. They are done with little to no health testing as well as little to no titling. The environment is everything. All of which are not albinoid. I would never say put the white dobermans down, they ARE dogs, but to purposely keep trying to breed white dobies and keep the color going is completely irresponsible. WZ i found out after the fact from AKC is a designation of Dobermans with the albino trait even though he is a blue Doberman, he is a carrier and hence why he was given that designation. I take hm almost everywhere that I can and receive compliments on his look and temperament too. Rainbow Haus Dobermans in Eland, WI was owned by Brigette Block, until, God Rest Her Soul, she passed away. Inbreeding definitely can introduce unwanted traits, as well as perpetuate themBUT..Line-breeding (aka Inbreeding), when done by a conscientious professional, can strenthen a breed. I have a Blue doberman, white doberman and Black and Tan Doberman and I think the white and blue are better dogs then the black and tan. For all those saying AKC registers albino dobermans, the AKC also register puppy mill dogs, does that make it an acceptable practice? Bad genetics is bad genetics, any animal thats entire blood line can be traced back to a single individual is badly inbreed. I have owned numerous breeds all of my life and he is by far the smartest , funniest , and loyal dog of them all. Im saying white dobes arent albinoid, but Im saying its not fact. I had never seen a white Doberman before, so I wanted to look them up. You are right, you do have to be a bit careful with White Dobes getting too much sun. One only has to neuter or spay them to keep a breeding from takin place. Devastated, hurting, searching to find yet another Dobie for us. Ya white blue and fawn should never be purposly bred Every since american breeders got there hands on a dobermann they have ruined the breed.. Now we have dilluted colors, whites, everyone of these types are prine to skin issues at the very least. they are just another color variation such as the red or blue. I have to sweep everyday, any help is would be appreciated. I agree with you and on a recent visit to the vet with our new rescue he was pleased to see that he was 2 yrs old before neutering (we have no choice when getting a rescue) because he said recent studies showed a 15% reduction in cancers if neutered at 2 years AS COMPARED TO NEUTERING AS A PUPPY). my family and I are very invested in this puppy his name is Einstein and Id hate to back out on this because weve already grown quite attached to him. all reputable sources of info on the white, INCLUDING THE AKC, say the same thing highly prone to genetic defects. Want to make sure we do right by her, and Im realizing we know a lot less than I thought we did. Three years ago I had the same concern. I would definitely get a black/rust female! Its easier to do research than you think. Ppl who breed these animals are only concerned about earning $$ and not the animals. My Doberman is just a carrier but suffered not only a corneal ulceration but also a host of other skin diseases! Due to this, white Dobermans experience many issues that their normal colored siblings wouldnt, including extremely UV sensitive skin, early on set glaucoma, lapsed patellas, aggression, and more. These black Dobermans are not part of the official standard for the breed. I will say the bad press about white/cream does not help. The good news is we have an article and some pictures about what you're looking for. If inbreeding or line breeding is used in any breed of animal to create an albino animal, there is a good chance that the animal will have health problems because of harmful recessive traits that crop up with the subsequent lack of genetic diversity. The genetic mutation that occurs to create the white coat is not the same of that that occurs in albino dogs. It is born out of inbreeding. They are absolutely beautiful! Love them for the world. Also when you see a wonderfully behaved dobe in public, ask the owner what breeder its from. We ate in Huntsville, AL. Although, that book does contradict itself in so many ways I digress. Should I be concerned? If you regularly have visitors over to the house, this should do. Regarding the albinism debate and eye color: albinism can be partial in mammals (and also birds, even wild ones), and can come from various mutations in the genome. Calling them stupid. No-brainer. English bulldog. Youll see for yourself the conclusion and stance that the Doberman community has taken on this. Some people want purebred dogs from a RELIABLE source. Great. But I will say that i have never spent so much money on vet bills on any dog Ive ever owned in my life. In the meanwhile we put aside all our reservation about getting a puppy. However, when we look at the longevity of, say, albino rabbits, guinea pigs, pigeons and budgies, we can realistically say that being white in itself is not fatal to a species. They do have blue eyes and excellent eye sight. You can use it externally on wounds or internally as well. Yeaaaah. Having said that, his eye sight is not perfect. I have a dobe rescue about 4.5 years old male myself red who Im not sure would approve of a sibling Or if Duke would approve Im so glad you found the one this makes sence, but i also have to work for a living. So far they havent ruined the Malinois or Dutch Shepherd, just a matter of time. 7 yrs later, my baby girl is still a goofball! The white Doberman looks interesting but breeders should avoid introducing these dogs into their bloodlines. White dobermans are actually light cream main colored with white markings. We figured out how to get him to do what I wanted but it took some work. I made a broadcast post that we have adopted a 7 month old. Black people have higher rates of high blood pressure and are more likely than whites to have vitamin D shortages in northern hemispheres because their skin is so dark that they dont manufacture enough of it in northern countries. meaning dont split hairs over whether or not its albino , or white when making a decision of to breed or not to breed . I lost my best friend 2 and a half years ago. But it will be years down the road. That goes for anything. Third problem: our moZart sufferes from lick granuloma issues and benign lipoma tumors (6) in total! All Dobermans are sensitive to the cold, as well. I was hoping someone knows or can open their heart to this girl.. You should come to Alaska, Shes a doll, and we dont have any issues, but its crap about her eyes being normal. I will eventually get another dobie but I need to get past loosing Galileo. the dogs arent genetical cripples because of the color. My first Black and Tan female won my mother over after the first day. Sometimes the mutation is harmful, sometimes it is not. My friend said she expected to see her carrying him down the hall to me to take care of what ever he might need at the time. The good news is we have an article and some pictures about what you're looking for. 4. Although, inbreeding would explain your human shortcomings. Is the concept of good breeding practices really so difficult to comprehend? The funny part comes in with all the responsible breeders implying that their dogs werent inbred 1000 times to get to the breed standard. everyone is taking offense to that why? I hope theyve found him a good home by now. If you have an Albino you should love it like you would any dog. Just because you read one article, dont take it for fact. The white doberman I kept has never had any health problems in the four years I have owned her. This is classic snobbery! So there you have it! Thats you. These dogs were never tracked nor were their litters. She does not have any health problems what so ever! She has NO health or behavior problems what so ever. Also, what about the numerous pedigrees out there that suffer from various ailments i.e. So what if it was, so what if all breeds came about that way? Deduction is usual $100 $200, and your reimbursement 80% of your bill. Darwins theories of natural selection might suggest that a white tiger would not be able to breed in nature due to its different-ness, however, nature and reality clearly evidence that this genetic variant continues to procreate on our planet. Lol. I got him from a champion breeder and was hoping for a lot longer life with him. Just be responsible and dont breed it like the owners of the two dogs that made your little bundle of joy. If they got a bad white then it was from a person that did not care about the health and was possibly inbreeding. Before you judge white dobermans I would recommend talking to people that have them. My fawn does have skin allergies, but we are able to keep it under control, with no hair loss and his coat is shiny. What I find truly aweful about this entire string of comments to dates back to July of 2008 is the fact that there is so much venom and passion about the z factor dobies but its all a senseless argument. An intelligent breed, Havanese puppies are highly trainable and enjoy learning new tricks. The need is a very specific one in which the temperament of these two types of dog have also caught my attention. Humans as a species have not been around, in any influential way for very long. Not one pup out of all of their litters had one issue. Ive owned Dobermans over the years. And why would you say AKC and purebred dogs are sick anyway? This socialization needs to continue even after puppy-hood on a consistent basis. Never hurts to have all the facts. Theres also no such thing as partially albino. At age 10 Emma had a severe stroke. I knew he would be good when he was tussling with his brother and my Buddys 18 month old nephew walked right up to them and biffed them both on the nose and backed them into a corner!! The breeding of the albino Doberman is disgusting and anyone who supports this interbreeding is also disgusting! A lot of people dont realize, a certain amount of in-breeding is done all the time, with every breed of dog (or cat, horse, cow, etc) when producing and bettering a specified BREED. . Even so, its felt that these dogs are not inferior to the reds or blacks if good breeding is present. No tail cutting should be done after and only by vet. Cleo spoilt me because of her oober intelligence so went for a Weimaraner next Emma was bright but no Cleo! Standards change when there is enough demand by the breeders. People adopt children from other countries and still love them the same. I gave him back to the Lord in compassion for my love for him. Thank u so much for your response. LOL We have plenty of Dogs and its always time for someones check up or booster shots. do i believe a doberman with an expected life span of 10 years that is prone to hypothyroidism, heart murmur, bloat and god knows what else and that has had ears and tail-chopped off is better up than a white doberman? Doesnt matter which color has your doberman, matter is you have a doberman. Being out on the street to cause a problem or die a painful death. Nothing wrong with her at all. We post dogs in the usa and canada. Your dobe at 140 lbs is either overweight or oversize. Their nose is pink usually and skin. We rescued our white dobie. Research your breeder! He was afraid of her and almost pulled my shoulder out trying to get away from her. She just wanted to sniff noses and play. Please learn proper grammar. They are partial albino and not should be bread. To make things even more confusing, you also have a "Dobermann" (spelled with two n's) to add to the mix. She is also not fixed. Very few Dobes carry the recessive white, and fewer carry the gene close enough to override and produce. Doberlian Shepherd: Doberman x Australian Shepherd Mix. My first ones never had a health issue up till the day they passed peacefully in there sleep. Also if you purchase an albino doberman you are getting ripped off. My grandmother had white and cream dobermans and she bread them. So my wonderful Doberman has been on a very light dose of potassium. Brenda. But for this specific condition it may be a good idea. Also dont give them free rein of the house, maybe just the kitchen or a bedroom, just in case they get into trouble if bored, (use a baby gate). I will do all that I can to keep her healthy and enjoy her life, but I encourage anyone who wants to get a Doberman to do the research not on just the breed but also the breeders. Take it from someone who found out the hard way. And all anyone can do is take the best care of their animal as possible. Amen to that my wallet is clapping in agreement! If you have ever seen a picture of Shebah you will see she was not totally white. No one has to be put down anymore these days. The animal is still considered an albino, however, because it carries an albinistic mutation. Probably because my love of my Wiems. Before I bought our current Red Male, the breeder asked what I was looking for, I said I was a little partial to a Red Male never having owned a Red before. Hes also had three skin cancer spots removed as well one from each lower eyelid, and one from his elbow. Every pedigree dog has been interbred at its early stage in history to obtain the desired looks etc that are required from it. I bet half of you owners with healthy white Dobies havent seen been to a vet more than three times with that dog. Well, except for those pesky squirrels. This is a difficult question as it is not really possible to tell whether a purebred white tiger has/has not any particular advantage genetically over a normal coloured tiger. And that is across all colours. I recently purchased a melanistic all black doberman from a reputable breeder and in conversation with her about the different colors of dobermans, she said that the cream ones are not albino at all. just because your white dog is healthy now doesnt mean it wont run into issues later. Anyway, if the kids were there Nobody was getting near them. https://www.sfspca.org/adoptions/pet-details/41201970. My white is now 6 months old and I couldnt be happier with her in all regards. She has the dobie markingsjust two different colors of cream. I can always refer you to my breeder. was a shock and has been a difficult loss. He explained coherently, the albino thing.might you should reread the article with peace in your heart for claritys sake. She was only one year old when we rescued her from death row and despite persistent training, she is still very very stupid. And she has bright pink skin that burns easily. People like you need to be shot. I met a lady who worked in their processing plant and she told me what I was curious about in terms of what is in the dog food. Turns out she has a heart murmur. people are intitled to their own opinons though. Albinism is a congenital disorder characterized by the complete or partial absence of pigment in the skin, hair and eyes due to absence or defect of an enzyme involved in the production of melanin. Im currently in contact with a man in West Virginia who listed his 5 year old dobe on Craigslist for free.. and I think that whatever the color they are, Doberman are freaking perfect and lovely. Blue was a Beautiful dog. Its very sad and unfortunately very true. So, Steele gets a bit of sun block on his nose. If I did nothing he would have lost his left eye also there were only 3 dog ophthalmologists in the state of SC and had to subsequently go to Charleston, SC for his therapy to try and save his eye! You were spot on and I totally agree with you! People would come a far away to get one of her dogs. They are considered a disqualifying fault in some dog shows. It almost kllled my dog and I was not told what to watch out for..Needless to say she and my Mom take the same pill, lucky for me. oh and Dobermans are the best dogs in the world . (Unless of course you live on Mars, and I do take that as a serious possibility.) White tigers are very beautiful creatures as are white lions and both occur and survive naturalistically in nature. When you visit a breeder, ask to see the mother and father to judge their friendliness and get references. Agree! Joanne, I rescued a White Dobie about a year and a half ago and in December had a tumor removed from his eyelid and a few from his lip that were cancer. there is no need to look into the genetics of the dog to prove the breeding is all wrong just looking at the dog should be proof enough. So, speak up when you know what you are talking about. But it did the trick. The Dobermann ( / dobrmn /; German pronunciation: [dobman] ), or Doberman Pinscher in the United States and Canada, is a medium-large breed of domestic dog that was originally developed around 1890 by Louis Dobermann, a tax collector from Germany. yes they are blue but that does not mean the dog is white it is ALBINO, there is no such thing as a white Doberman. Does anyone know of a reputable blue and tan breeder in the UK as I dont believe shipping a puppy from the states is good. Spontaneous albino mutations can potentially occur in any mammal (i.e. I like any dog without its ears cut off. Pinterest. My white Doberman is both death and blind but very sweet. Purebred dogs aside from a few breeds like the Komondor (a very large mop dog) are not at all family friendly by nature and are originally bred for WORK, not to keep as a pet. etc. They have even discovered that Neanderthals had red hair and blue eyes. It was the antibiotic of choice in a few countries for 2000 years b4 penicillin and then it was all but forgotten about. I currently have two dogs: a purebred red nose pitbull male and a chocolate brindle female pit lab mix. Just remember buyer beware. The tails should have been docked by the breeder. Im now looking for another Doberman. I am familiar with the Triad rescue and i am approved by them. Has anyone experienced the skin issues? As a result, some countries have banned the breeding of this dog mutation, and breeders are encouraged not to breed for this color. I am searching high and low for an ADULT Doberman. CASH!! 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